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    I have that same kit and was one of the unlucky ones to have the threads, gaul, the first time I tried to remove it.

    Yes, I even used the small amount anti size and it went on smooth as silk.

    I ended up getting a new baldwin base.

    Then I machined the threads off drilled and tap it for a new steel spud I got off the internet.

    No issues since.

    There is a lot of great info here on alt filters thanks for the info its always great to have options.







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    @allbizns what filter do you have in service now?

    EDIT: Doing a bit of going back in time last night - I browsed a few other cummins forums from years ago & it seems this issue is quite common since 2014.

    There are a few instances - where the owner just could not get the cat filter off & had to remove the whole kit & replace the base & switch to either a Donaldson or Fleetguard.

    It seems - after each owner swapped away from the Cat filter with the Aluminum top plate - No more issues.
    Also - I figure as long as a magnet will attract to the top plate there will not be an issue.

    As as far as I know - Cat is the only spin-on fuel filter that uses a aluminum plate.

    Just remember: The Baldwin base is all aluminum - just hand tight on the filter & stop.
    Other wise ya take a chance of damaging the soft aluminum threads on the base.

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    Still running Cat 1r- 0750.
    I like your self still have all the factory filters in place as well. I feel you cant filter enough LOL..

    This thread has got me considering some alternatives that you have listed.

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    @SyN I see you are going to try out the KOFIL filter set. I just saw those the other night as I was loading my cart up with parts for my next service. You said your uncle is happy with them?

    I alwas get concerned about straying from the well known or OE on the fuel side. I might have to give these a harder look.

    I try and bring myself to run extended service intervals on both the oil and fuel. Its hard to convince my self. I'm up to about 6-7,000 oil service blackstone says the TBN looks good enough to try 10k just not sure if I can bring myself there yet LOL...

    I'm still at 15k on fuel filters. Although last time I only changed the rear water separator and cat filter but checked the cartridge filter on the Engine it looked brand new. There was no sign of any thing in the canister as well. So it will be intresting to see what it looks like this time with roughly 25k on it. I am religious about only getting my gas from one high traffic station in town. And when we travel I try and use the larger pilots or flying j's with hope the fuel is cycled enough to be fairly clean. I also run Opti- Lube XPD about every 3rd tank.

    Sorry for the rant I tend to obsesse over this stuff but I want to make sure I protect my investment.

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    I'm the same way - Always over thinking crap! But it has saved me many times as well - So I'm not going to change.
    Sounds like you have a awesome routine maintenance schedule -

    Yes - Uncle Max - has been retired since I graduated high school & he & his wife have been pretty much full time RVers.
    He has always been a Cummins owner during this time.

    He now owns a 2015 3500 6.7L - I believe he deleted around the 23K mile mark & had this same kit installed around the 28K mile mark - the shop that installed the kit for him - instructed him of the possible issue with running the Cat filters.
    They installed the Donaldson Blue DBL5814 filter - never a issue with removal.
    He actually advised me not to use the Cat filter - but it come with the kit & I didn't want to waste it (Stubborn Me) - Listen to your elders!

    I guess he found a Fleetguard dealer close to his home in Albuquerque NM - he told me he bought 3 @ $25 ea (FF5814).
    The Shop that installed his filter kit - uses the KOFIL filters & recommend the kit to him.
    This was over a 1 1/2 years ago & as of today (zero issues).

    He then told me he has been changing the front engine filter every 25K miles & the rear 2 filters every 15K miles.
    He does use a popular fuel additive @ every fill-up - but I won't get into that.
    (He states @ the 25K mile mark the Front filter still looks like new - he might extend the service out to 30K)

    As of last week - I think he told me they had over 142K miles on the 2015 with zero fuel system issues.
    This is a long time Cummins owner & possibly the only one I will possibly follow his advice on anything maintenance.

    I apologize for rambling - I just wanted to explain most of his situation.

    SyN Discaimer: Once again gents -I'm not recommending any of these ideas or products - I'm only sharing our ideas & thoughts & personal experiences.

    When any dought - run OEM filters!

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    & Rearend: -TRIAX- 75W-90/140
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    Creators /Makers of the media within the KOFIL - Fuel Filters.

    https://www.ahlstrom-munksjo.com/glo...eet_a4_web.pdf

    not much but it’s something.

    -The JUDGE-
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    68RFE Transmission: Mopar ATF+4 ATF
    BW44-46 & P-Steering: -TRIAX- Global ATF
    Frontend
    & Rearend: -TRIAX- 75W-90/140
    Fuel Additive: Aliant Power & HSS


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    Re: Donaldson And Caterpillar Info For Fuel And Oil

    What is everyones thoughts on the Black Market Performance front fuel filter bracket? It comes with the 1r-0750 CAT filter.

    Will I have gauling with this setup?

    I have everything ready to go but after going through this reading, I’m having second thoughts.

    Thanks everyone


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    If the filter base threads are aluminum & you run a Cat filter - which has a aluminum top plate - there is a chance.

    Even with my Donaldson non-aluminum top plate - I slowly screwed it on the Baldwin base & just got her snug & stopped.
    I didn’t want to apply anymore stress then needed on those soft aluminum threads.

    When using the Cat filters with a aluminum base threads - I don’t know of anything truly safe to apply to the threads to keep this galling from happening.

    -The JUDGE-
    2017 2500 CC/SB -4WD-Anti-Slip w/3:42
    Oil: -TRIAX- Supreme ESP 15W-40 w/DBL7349
    68RFE Transmission: Mopar ATF+4 ATF
    BW44-46 & P-Steering: -TRIAX- Global ATF
    Frontend
    & Rearend: -TRIAX- 75W-90/140
    Fuel Additive: Aliant Power & HSS


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    Quote Originally Posted by SyN View Post
    If the filter base threads are aluminum & you run a Cat filter - which has a aluminum top plate - there is a chance.

    Even with my Donaldson non-aluminum top plate - I slowly screwed it on the Baldwin base & just got her snug & stopped.
    I didn’t want to apply anymore stress then needed on those aluminum threads.

    When using the Cat filters with a aluminum base threads - I don’t know of anything truly safe to apply to the threads to keep this galling from happening.
    Syn thanks for the info.

    Yes I agree if it has aluminum threads do not install any aluminum base filter.

    I believe you will be looking for trouble.

    I agree with SyN on any type of anti-size. I am extreemly leary of introducing any type of metallic based anti-size in the fuel system.

    I guess you could try an extreme pressure lube like CMD just not sure how the excess will react in the fuel or if the fuel will wash the lube off the threads.

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    Interesting: Woke up this afternoon - due to working night shift this week - thinking about the pros @ cons of these Secondary filters (spin-on) Cellulose vs Synthetic.

    Cellulose has showed to trap & hold water much more efficiently then the synthetic media but synthetic media will trap & hold much smaller contaminants as well as allow better flow & supposedly be able to handle staying in service longer.

    DBF5814 /17 or FF5814 / 17 will be the Ones! (Depending all on availability)
    along with 4 powerful epoxy coated neodymium N45 magnets attached to both water separator & secondary filter -

    I wish my brain would just shut off for short period of time.

    EDIT: I am curious - brain will not shut down!
    For those that have this kit installed of even the Fass System - whom work or reside in states that have Long drawn out winters.
    Whats your thoughts on the Cold Weather Sleeve (1/2" EPDM Insulating Foam Sleeve) - (Used in HVAC installs) that slides over the filter? - to possibly help keep away any jelling issues.

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    -The JUDGE-
    2017 2500 CC/SB -4WD-Anti-Slip w/3:42
    Oil: -TRIAX- Supreme ESP 15W-40 w/DBL7349
    68RFE Transmission: Mopar ATF+4 ATF
    BW44-46 & P-Steering: -TRIAX- Global ATF
    Frontend
    & Rearend: -TRIAX- 75W-90/140
    Fuel Additive: Aliant Power & HSS


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