Please change my mind!!

[Iron]

ALCON,

I've been 'very mildly' pressured into getting a membership herein IOT get any"Real" help.

Being what I am; "the noob realist in the making" you gain better business being humble and reaching out by going "above and beyond". Anybody military will understand what I'm talking about. "Sorry civilian pukes".

I will try and dumb this down the best I can with verbage better understood irregardless of your background....

I've 'reached out for help' to 'feel out' the forum, and I am not getting the feeling I should have...

It could be that there is a lack of personnel to help.... Or it could be to the fact that (you) do not get help without the "Right membership"...

Where I come from... (And the way I was raised) you help out anyone in need irregardless...

With that being humbly as I can say; "I donated before ever even becoming a lifetime member"
I do not wish to stay in these forums because it seems biased to those who chose to be loyal "Which I love loyalty when it's right" to a prehistoric programmer which I know is good (At what he does) but lacks evolution.

I respect old-school... But when do you evolve...?

I've read and read and read and read...

It's almost idiotic not to move on to the bigger and better ready to use programming systems out there...

I talked to someone on the phone 'for roughly 20 minutes' and I learned a hole bunch about the tuning process and how advantageous it is when you are using the cloud system...

You can throw conspiracy theory all you want to demoralize cloud based application's but no matter what you say; anything else is obsolete and prehistoric compared to the new cloud based systems.

All said; please try and change my mind...

I respect all that everyone does and I'm simply making a decision that is better for my vehicle and myself.

There are 1000's of programmers it there and the best ones haven't even popular yet.

That's because of evolution...

Some might say Kareem is the best basketball player to ever live... Or Micheal Jordan...

How good would they be today when they were in their prime? They would good their own but would they stand out? Maybe...

30 years from now how good would they be? I would argue that they would 'at best' make the average... Why? Evolution...

With all said... Please tell me why I should NOT go with the new evolutionized tuner vs. someone who still uses a typewriter...

Again I respect old school! But when it comes to computers and electronics, I'll take a millennial over a baby-boomer 10/10x.

PLEASE CHANGED MY MIND!

- Iron

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[Iron]

Please excuse my grammar, punctuation and 'auto' spelling.

I put full blame on the (Mimitay Special) Russian water I've been consuming!

- Iron

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[TH-64]

I will try and dumb this down the best I can with verbage better understood irregardless of your background....

I stopped reading right there. I'm easily offended.

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[IGOTACUMMINS]

@Iron we can answer questions, but you have to understand what is going on right now with the EPA.

What questions do you have?

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[AnOldBiker]

Most every Millennials I know 1st started with training, education and opening their minds from the Boomers. Never met one that knew all before they were educated with knowledge and hands on experience. Also, since I'm proud to say I'm a boomer, and I have been left amazed by suggestions and information from millennials that was wrong. Experience and knowledge is developed over time. And as through history, they will completely take over everything as we boomers did for our era. I'll give every dog their due, but no, this new generation wasn't born right from the womb with a cell phone in one hand and an iPad in the other. The older generation opened their mind and lead them on their way. When we all pass, the are the new old coots.

I'm old and slow, but what are you asking about or the problem your having ? There are people that have experience with several different programmers and some that are specialist in them. Ask directly .. and wait, for help will come.

As for what seems to be a comment that we are different because of membership ???
Sorry, the people here treat everyone the same. If you have knowledge and can help, they usually do. But sometimes its a bit slower in responce .. like now ... your in the middle of the holiday season, people are very busy and involved with their families and life.

Relax, ask, and give people time to answer. Its free .. membership or not, we're a family style forum ... not a business.

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[Power247]

ALCON,

I've been 'very mildly' pressured into getting a membership herein IOT get any"Real" help.

Being what I am; "the noob realist in the making" you gain better business being humble and reaching out by going "above and beyond". Anybody military will understand what I'm talking about. "Sorry civilian pukes".

I will try and dumb this down the best I can with verbage better understood irregardless of your background....

I've 'reached out for help' to 'feel out' the forum, and I am not getting the feeling I should have...

It could be that there is a lack of personnel to help.... Or it could be to the fact that (you) do not get help without the "Right membership"...

Where I come from... (And the way I was raised) you help out anyone in need irregardless...

With that being humbly as I can say; "I donated before ever even becoming a lifetime member"
I do not wish to stay in these forums because it seems biased to those who chose to be loyal "Which I love loyalty when it's right" to a prehistoric programmer which I know is good (At what he does) but lacks evolution.

I respect old-school... But when do you evolve...?

I've read and read and read and read...

It's almost idiotic not to move on to the bigger and better ready to use programming systems out there...

I talked to someone on the phone 'for roughly 20 minutes' and I learned a hole bunch about the tuning process and how advantageous it is when you are using the cloud system...

You can throw conspiracy theory all you want to demoralize cloud based application's but no matter what you say; anything else is obsolete and prehistoric compared to the new cloud based systems.

All said; please try and change my mind...

I respect all that everyone does and I'm simply making a decision that is better for my vehicle and myself.

There are 1000's of programmers it there and the best ones haven't even popular yet.

That's because of evolution...

Some might say Kareem is the best basketball player to ever live... Or Micheal Jordan...

How good would they be today when they were in their prime? They would good their own but would they stand out? Maybe...

30 years from now how good would they be? I would argue that they would 'at best' make the average... Why? Evolution...

With all said... Please tell me why I should NOT go with the new evolutionized tuner vs. someone who still uses a typewriter...

Again I respect old school! But when it comes to computers and electronics, I'll take a millennial over a baby-boomer 10/10x.

PLEASE CHANGED MY MIND!

- Iron

In the technical world there's a saying: it's good to be on the cutting edge as long as you're not on the bleeding edge.

I personally don't fear 'the cloud' or the next 'greatest technology' but as it relates to tuning my truck, I prefer the tried and true, and a company that has taken care of me and my truck for over 5 years.

It sounds to me like you have already made up your mind on cloud tuning based on your post. I say go for it, but when you do, please come back and share your experience.



Greg
2012 | RAM 2500 | CCSB | Custom tuned by Double R Diesel
2016 | Heartland Pioneer | DS310

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[Goldguy5]

I have to say I agree and disagree with your position.

I also have been kinda run into a dead end on this forum. Great bunch of nice guys but nice doesn’t get my truck tuned. Imagine it’s not free so it has been tough.

I posted the law suit EPA vs DPI INC. Straight from the DOJ website. And it all boils down to K.WILLIS traveling down the “TUNING & DELETING” big trucks, heavyduty, semis. Actually 5,549 parts to change pollution requirements had been sold.

When u jump into DOT inspected big rigs that should have been a stop for pause and thought but evidently it was not. So for that a fine of 1.2 million bucks was set forth. There also have been some other Corp’s. That have gotten shut down. Again they were also linked to the SEMI tuning and delete world.

In all fairness our light to med duty trucks are not and have not been on the chopping block. I am speaking federally not individual state and county.

So I share your frustration a couple months ago when I saw on Facebook that no business would be conducted unless you were a lifetime member of this site I thought “WTF” but after thinking about it I get DRD position.

So I have been tossing around the idea of paying the fee and moving forward or my biggest “want to” is to decide which platform to use and write my own tunes.

Seems like fun and I do well with technical challenges. First truck was a 96 12 valve then 06 5.9 mega Laramie bunch of mods and the infamous original SMARTY with the TNT unlock. Put 300k miles on that truck with 600hp when the factory trans let go. Bought a 06 mega Laramie dually with 70k miles and took that trans out put it in the other 06 and had jasper stage 2 with a triple disc billet converter. Traded those 2 on my current truck wich is a 17 mega Laramie 3/4 ton. Bought with 20k miles already completely deleted 5in stainless MBRP, Amp bars, 20in fuels with NITTOS and a leveling kit.

It has bulky dog tuning and it sucks. Very marginal. I did not get the original hand held so I can’t make changes or take it back to stock until I get another tuner.

I love the cloud based deal. But EFI is basically f...... everyone and selling race tunes and when I get it it’s for trucks not deleted. PPEI doesn’t sell the off road or race tunes and the others I just don’t trust.

After reading about Ray he seems to be the real deal. Great section of customs tunes for your application with trans tuning and really seems to go the extra mile from what I have read.

Saying that I am ready to “take the plunge” (previous post) but I hope it’s just not for nothing.

Your post was great I thought it was maybe a little abrasive but that’s just MO. MERRY CHRISTMAS MAN!!


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[Goldguy5]

Also is seems the money part of the business is not what’s important to DRD.

Seems as though not only does he want what’s best for DRD but what’s also best for the Cummins world as a whole.

Just my 2 cents.


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[IGOTACUMMINS]

I have to say I agree and disagree with your position.

I also have been kinda run into a dead end on this forum. Great bunch of nice guys but nice doesn’t get my truck tuned. Imagine it’s not free so it has been tough.

I posted the law suit EPA vs DPI INC. Straight from the DOJ website. And it all boils down to K.WILLIS traveling down the “TUNING & DELETING” big trucks, heavyduty, semis. Actually 5,549 parts to change pollution requirements had been sold.

When u jump into DOT inspected big rigs that should have been a stop for pause and thought but evidently it was not. So for that a fine of 1.2 million bucks was set forth. There also have been some other Corp’s. That have gotten shut down. Again they were also linked to the SEMI tuning and delete world.

In all fairness our light to med duty trucks are not and have not been on the chopping block. I am speaking federally not individual state and county.

So I share your frustration a couple months ago when I saw on Facebook that no business would be conducted unless you were a lifetime member of this site I thought “WTF” but after thinking about it I get DRD position.

So I have been tossing around the idea of paying the fee and moving forward or my biggest “want to” is to decide which platform to use and write my own tunes.

Seems like fun and I do well with technical challenges. First truck was a 96 12 valve then 06 5.9 mega Laramie bunch of mods and the infamous original SMARTY with the TNT unlock. Put 300k miles on that truck with 600hp when the factory trans let go. Bought a 06 mega Laramie dually with 70k miles and took that trans out put it in the other 06 and had jasper stage 2 with a triple disc billet converter. Traded those 2 on my current truck wich is a 17 mega Laramie 3/4 ton. Bought with 20k miles already completely deleted 5in stainless MBRP, Amp bars, 20in fuels with NITTOS and a leveling kit.

It has bulky dog tuning and it sucks. Very marginal. I did not get the original hand held so I can’t make changes or take it back to stock until I get another tuner.

I love the cloud based deal. But EFI is basically f...... everyone and selling race tunes and when I get it it’s for trucks not deleted. PPEI doesn’t sell the off road or race tunes and the others I just don’t trust.

After reading about Ray he seems to be the real deal. Great section of customs tunes for your application with trans tuning and really seems to go the extra mile from what I have read.

Saying that I am ready to “take the plunge” (previous post) but I hope it’s just not for nothing.

Your post was great I thought it was maybe a little abrasive but that’s just MO. MERRY CHRISTMAS MAN!!


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Sir you do realize a ton of other companies got shut down that had nothing to do with Semi trucks?

I mean look at Jamo, FLO~PRO, Deviant Race Parts and the list goes on.

We do wish you the best, but there is a lot of stuff we can't share here.

Thank you,
igotacummins

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[Goldguy5]

Thanks I and a lot others wheee not aware of the extent of the investigation.

Let me get this rite, they are in the process of fining corporate co. Like in question? That’s literally thousands.

Go to Canada and you good correct?

Next China will be making and selling all the list and tuners thru online sales or whatever. You know as well as I do that this is a speed bump in the diesel performance world.

The road will continue to be traveled just might take a different route.


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