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    Being this press release is a year old, maybe they have come up with a better idea since then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power247 View Post
    Being this press release is a year old, maybe they have come up with a better idea since then...

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    I hope you are right! Unfortunately it looks like the industry is evolving away from the emission system as an add on that can be defeated and removed to one being totally integrated. Hope I am wrong on this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Bob View Post
    I hope you are right! Unfortunately it looks like the industry is evolving away from the emission system as an add on that can be defeated and removed to one being totally integrated. Hope I am wrong on this.


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    Re: Cummins Def System Gone in 2020? - New Engine?

    No.

    The 2020's are the same as the 2019's. Little more of that "blackout" stuff offered and a larger fuel tank on the long bed 3500 with Asin.

    That's it.


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    From what I read, Cummins is leaning more toward Hydrogen fuel cells for the future, or a hybrid fuel cell / battery. They recently acquired a major player in the hydrogen fuel cell world.

    Not sure how long that will take to get into mainstream, but because they can use natural gas as a fuel source, maybe it easier to be supported politically by big oil. There is already a lot of these vehicles in the commercial world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRod View Post
    From what I read, Cummins is leaning more toward Hydrogen fuel cells for the future, or a hybrid fuel cell / battery. They recently acquired a major player in the hydrogen fuel cell world.

    Not sure how long that will take to get into mainstream, but because they can use natural gas as a fuel source, maybe it easier to be supported politically by big oil. There is already a lot of these vehicles in the commercial world.
    Maybe on the industrial side, I don't see hydrogen anything becoming prevalent in the auto industry...its exponentially more complicated and lacks the infrastructure more so than even electric cars.

    However, Garrett just released some information about their upcoming e-Turbo. I'll link below...this I could actually see being a huge factor in the next gen Cummins & honestly, I would buy into it.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabue...ction-in-2021/


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    Maybe on the industrial side, I don't see hydrogen anything becoming prevalent in the auto industry...its exponentially more complicated and lacks the infrastructure more so than even electric cars.

    However, Garrett just released some information about their upcoming e-Turbo. I'll link below...this I could actually see being a huge factor in the next gen Cummins & honestly, I would buy into it.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabue...ction-in-2021/
    Possibly, but the infrastructure is already in place. They are gas stations. Its more of a matter of integration into that infrastructure.
    It's like adding a biodiesel pump or a ethanol pump, a DEF pump, or a propane station. It's still somewhat costly, but the DoE partnered with a private entity, H2USA, in 2017 to coordinate a national rollout plan for hydrogen stations.

    Unlike electrical integration, which requires a completely autonomous connection point, and takes more time to fill than consumers are willing to spend (in time).

    Hydrogen is the most abundant and easily obtainable element on the planet, whereas, lithium is already in short supply way before the technology has matured. I acknowledge there is more of a political push in many areas of the country for EVs, but personally (and I am not a rocket scientist), I think Hydrogen has way more advantages as a long term solution. Seeing companies like Cummins invest in Hydrogen technology is where I would hedge my bets.

    When the automobile was invented it was hailed as the solution to pollution of the streets of America that were commonly filled with horse poop. It was quite a short-sighted statement. We are hearing the same banter now with EVs being the solution to pollution, without acknowledging the consequences of acquisition and long term disposition of lithium filled batteries or the use of coal powered electric plants used to onboard the technology. This is also short-sighted in my opinion.

    But I am just a Joe, and will not really be around to care.

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    Delete your truck, Never have issues with that crap again. Ive deleted every diesel iv owned and no issues..None.


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    Quote Originally Posted by McRod View Post
    Possibly, but the infrastructure is already in place. They are gas stations. Its more of a matter of integration into that infrastructure.
    It's like adding a biodiesel pump or a ethanol pump, a DEF pump, or a propane station. It's still somewhat costly, but the DoE partnered with a private entity, H2USA, in 2017 to coordinate a national rollout plan for hydrogen stations.

    Unlike electrical integration, which requires a completely autonomous connection point, and takes more time to fill than consumers are willing to spend (in time).

    Hydrogen is the most abundant and easily obtainable element on the planet, whereas, lithium is already in short supply way before the technology has matured. I acknowledge there is more of a political push in many areas of the country for EVs, but personally (and I am not a rocket scientist), I think Hydrogen has way more advantages as a long term solution. Seeing companies like Cummins invest in Hydrogen technology is where I would hedge my bets.

    When the automobile was invented it was hailed as the solution to pollution of the streets of America that were commonly filled with horse poop. It was quite a short-sighted statement. We are hearing the same banter now with EVs being the solution to pollution, without acknowledging the consequences of acquisition and long term disposition of lithium filled batteries or the use of coal powered electric plants used to onboard the technology. This is also short-sighted in my opinion.

    But I am just a Joe, and will not really be around to care.
    No I think you're outlook is right on the money. EVs aren't the solution to pollution when you consider the overall aspects of production & charging. People like to think that just because the car doesn't emit emissions, that emissions aren't emitted at all when that's not how it works.
    Hydrogen is a viable option, but it carries a ton of risks due to it's inherent volatility in gaseous form.

    I think that CNG is an option that could work for a lot of people, hell all of the diesel city buses here run on CNG and there's even a whole bunch of people that have converted their personal vehicles to run on CNG...and we have gas lines all over the place.


    I'm not a climate activist by any means, science has proven that global warming is a natural phenomenon, and I think too much of this nonsense gets blown out of proportion. This planet has been here for billions of years, and it's going to be here for billions more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RamIt View Post
    No I think you're outlook is right on the money. EVs aren't the solution to pollution when you consider the overall aspects of production & charging. People like to think that just because the car doesn't emit emissions, that emissions aren't emitted at all when that's not how it works.
    Hydrogen is a viable option, but it carries a ton of risks due to it's inherent volatility in gaseous form.

    I think that CNG is an option that could work for a lot of people, hell all of the diesel city buses here run on CNG and there's even a whole bunch of people that have converted their personal vehicles to run on CNG...and we have gas lines all over the place.


    I'm not a climate activist by any means, science has proven that global warming is a natural phenomenon, and I think too much of this nonsense gets blown out of proportion. This planet has been here for billions of years, and it's going to be here for billions more.
    Agreed.

    Cummins also build CNG busses, so those may be theirs your seeing.

    Hydrogen can be taken from CNG.

    Also, hydrogen is less volatile than gas.

    This is an older, 2015, article on Hydrogen by Edmunds.

    Read the 3rd point about "Is Hydrogen Safe?"

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