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    GM Testifies That They Own Your Cars Software. Do Not Touch It

    This is insane. How about they pay the payments then? GM is smoking wacky weed.

    By Chad Westfall




    There is no word yet whether modules that plug inline with sensors would be illegal or not.


    About a month ago, we broke the story that there were multiple manufacturers trying to use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to prevent you from modifying your vehicle. Many of our readers mentioned that this would never happen and we are making it up. Well, the hearings over this are being conducted now and the decision could greatly effect you and your vehicle, not to mention the entire industry.



    General Motors and John Deere are taking the stance that the software used to run your vehicle is theirs and should be protected under the DMCA. If the US Copyright Office agrees, this could make it illegal to change the tune on your vehicle. It may even go as far as to make it illegal to do many repairs. There are a number of media outlets reporting that this may have a substantial effect on independent repair shops.

    In addition to vehicle repairs, this would mean that most of the modifications that we have grown to love over the years are not possible because they require tuning changes. This would mean that changing injectors or turbochargers would not be legal. Exhaust systems would be ok, but some transmission upgrades require tune modifications, which would not be legal. The entire diesel tuner market may find itself on the wrong side of the law within the next few weeks if GM and John Deere have their way. Modules (electric tuning devices that intercept the signals from sensors and send a modified signal to the ECM) may or may not be illegal. It just depends on how far the OEM’s are willing to push the issue. Certainly, at this point, we can assume they will go after modules as well.

    This would mean that in order to modify your vehicle with anything that requires a tune adjustment, you would need to use a standalone computer system that does not interface with the factory software. This would mean roughly a $12,000 to $20,000 standalone system which isn’t necessarily obtainable for the “average” guy.




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    This is nutz! These guys are just being greedy and anticapitalistic! Looks like GM and John Deere excutives have fallen into the communist approach the federal government has taken on many things we love.

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    Let me just add that a real automaker knows that the aftermarket availability is a huge selling factor for their vehicles. They should also know that folks ain't coming to the dealership for extra goodies either!

    The Cummins Whisperer! John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10...Tuning for the Heart and Soul.


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    @Double R Diesel LLC preach it brother!

    "The grass is greener where you water it"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double R Diesel LLC View Post
    This is nutz! These guys are just being greedy and anticapitalistic! Looks like GM and John Deere excutives have fallen into the communist approach the federal government has taken on many things we love.

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    Let me just add that a real automaker knows that the aftermarket availability is a huge selling factor for their vehicles. They should also know that folks ain't coming to the dealership for extra goodies either!
    Quote Originally Posted by IGOTACUMMINS.COM View Post
    @Double R Diesel LLC preach it brother!
    Like the eliminating tuners, they'll find a way. Back to the Quadzilla and Edge way again. It was a great idea, but the tuning needed work


    2003- 3500 RWD Automatic.
    S & B intake, BD Intercooler, Pusher Air Horn, MM3 Double R Tuning, Turbo Timer, electric Flex-a-lite fans, FASS 95,
    50 HP tips, upgrade to 351 turbo, 3.42 gears, Twin air compressors, air bags, Remote dual oil filters, Hellwig sway bar, Front Winch. Home made Fuel Heater, BD Exhaust brake with Torque Lock. Tons of TLC

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    Wow ! I would think that after you spend $50,000 on a truck or car everything about it is yours ! Like if u want to go to dealership cd repairs or not !'like voiding your warranty because the EMISSIONS crap is killing your engine ! So if they own it we should be able to go to dealership take a vehicle and use it for 3 years and bring it back just as if we borrowed it never having to pay for it !


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    Quote Originally Posted by TONKATOY View Post
    Wow ! I would think that after you spend $50,000 on a truck or car everything about it is yours ! Like if u want to go to dealership cd repairs or not !'like voiding your warranty because the EMISSIONS crap is killing your engine ! So if they own it we should be able to go to dealership take a vehicle and use it for 3 years and bring it back just as if we borrowed it never having to pay for it !
    It's all hogwash in my opinion, but if they can get governmental backing it's all out the window!

    Food for thought...Do we really own a truck? What would happen if we didn't pay our property taxes on one??? Just saying.

    The Cummins Whisperer! John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10...Tuning for the Heart and Soul.


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    So much for FREEDOM to do what u want eh! Sort of sounds like another
    Country about 30 years ago! LOL


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    There is no freakin way I am taking any tuner out of my truck. Let me see a cop prove it's installed on a road side.

    They make so many laws that can't be enforced. . . .


    2003- 3500 RWD Automatic.
    S & B intake, BD Intercooler, Pusher Air Horn, MM3 Double R Tuning, Turbo Timer, electric Flex-a-lite fans, FASS 95,
    50 HP tips, upgrade to 351 turbo, 3.42 gears, Twin air compressors, air bags, Remote dual oil filters, Hellwig sway bar, Front Winch. Home made Fuel Heater, BD Exhaust brake with Torque Lock. Tons of TLC

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    This is really the dumbest thing we've ever read.

    "The grass is greener where you water it"


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    GM is in serious trouble, worse than Chrysler was so they have to blame everyone else


    2003- 3500 RWD Automatic.
    S & B intake, BD Intercooler, Pusher Air Horn, MM3 Double R Tuning, Turbo Timer, electric Flex-a-lite fans, FASS 95,
    50 HP tips, upgrade to 351 turbo, 3.42 gears, Twin air compressors, air bags, Remote dual oil filters, Hellwig sway bar, Front Winch. Home made Fuel Heater, BD Exhaust brake with Torque Lock. Tons of TLC

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