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    Diesel drivers who are “rolling coal” in Colorado: Tune up or pay up!

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    Diesel pickup truck drivers in Colorado who illegally tweak their engines to blast out black smoke can now be fined $100 for the practice. Colorado is riding hard on diesel truck drivers who “roll coal,” the politically charged display of power on the roads that has doused other vehicles, such as environmentally friendly Priuses, and pedestrians, including supporters of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, with sooty black smoke.

    Gov. John Hickenlooper this week said he’ll gladly sign into law a bill lawmakers passed that lets police hit offenders with $100 fines.

    “Coal rolling is a cruel cut to people with asthma or other respiratory issues,” Hickenlooper said. “We are well to be rid of it.”

    Over the past three years, the practice emerged as a way to have fun at the expense of other people, and air quality that is already compromised in parts of Colorado. Diesel pickup truck drivers illegally tweak their engines — tampering with pollution controls and enabling intake of extra fuel — so that by stepping on their accelerator pedals they can blast out spectacularly foul fumes.

    New Jersey has outlawed rolling coal.

    But Colorado lawmakers, facing anxieties in agricultural areas, wrestled with legislative proposals and twice killed them before passing the bill this month. Police had pushed for a law that could let them crack down. The police occasionally have been targets of the smoke, Fort Collins Police Lt. Craig Horton said.

    “We have problems with that display of exhaust, especially on our weekend nights when we have a cruising issue,” Horton said.

    A bill has been proposed against drivers who like to "roll coal".



    Among those embracing the crackdown is Dana TePoel, owner of Lake Arbor Automotive & Truck in Westminster, who for 25 years has conducted state-mandated emissions tests on diesel vehicles for license renewals. Of 52 tests done on diesel vehicles this past week, seven failed.

    About a dozen of the trucks that fail emissions tests at his shop each year have engines altered for rolling coal and are usually brought in by drivers new to Colorado.

    “We tell ’em they have to fix it,” he said, noting that the modifications can cost thousands of dollars and that coal rollers who fail emissions tests typically must turn back to people who made the illegal modifications to undo them.

    TePoel called the $100 fines “a good addition to the system of prevention, emissions testing, that is already in place.”

    Trouble hit rolling coal drivers along Colorado’s Front Range when outdoor restaurant patrons and pedestrians complained. Fort Collins police initially tried to use anti-drag racing laws that allow cops to pull over drivers for exhibitions of speed and power, a jailable offense. Police also found it was hard to enforce existing laws prohibiting tampering with pollution control devices.

    State Rep. Joann Ginal. D-Fort Collins, was among those smoked. And last fall, when a line of people formed at the New Belgium Brewery to see a campaign event featuring former President Bill Clinton, Ginal said, plume-producing trucks hit them hard.

    Hickenlooper’s signature cannot come too soon, she said.

    A few days after she and Sen. Don Coram, R-Montrose, secured final passage of the bill, Ginal was driving in Fort Collins behind a tan pickup truck with Texas license plates. The driver smoked her. Ginal said she had a feeling her state lawmaker license plates made her a target.

    “They do it to people in Priuses, people on motorcycles, and people just walking down the streets. Some are older people who have chronic respiratory conditions. The smoke makes it worse,” she said.

    “It is mean. It is more young people who are doing this,” she said. “They think it is funny.”

    It happens statewide, Coram said, citing incidents in Grand Junction and Durango.

    A pregnant woman walking with a small child in Durango was hit, said Coram. She called his office to complain. Rolling coal isn’t a matter of political expression, he said.

    “It is people just being jerks,” Coram said.

    Ginal introduced legislation in 2016 that died, and tried again this year. Her first bill failed as opponents, including Sen. Jerry Sonnenberg, R-Sterling, a rancher, raised concerns that a crackdown on coal rolling could lead to California-style emission standards for work trucks.

    Coram revived the legislation, removing references to harassing behavior — which complicated enforcement — and inserting exceptions for commercial and agricultural vehicles.

    Ginal said she expects lawmakers in other states will follow Colorado’s lead.

    Link to original article: http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/22...ng-coal-fines/

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    Re: Diesel drivers who are “rolling coal” in Colorado: Tune up or pay up!

    Intentional roaling coal I believe is wrong. Besides the sooting of people and property is inconsiderate. But under some circumstances a truck will smoke some because of the power needed for the task. I can't say I never rolled coal, but I try not to.

    I worry about passing laws against this. People should grow up and act properly. But when laws are passed, they can also be abused. When this happens, it just the opposite of the original idiot who wants to smoke some protester, prius car owner and such. AND once a law is passed, it is almost impossible to recend or not increase cost in the future by some government group that has a distaste of it. Between a rock and a hard place.

    The problem is the idiot who wants to stay a child when they are adults.



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    Re: Diesel drivers who are “rolling coal” in Colorado: Tune up or pay up!

    I'll put my two cents in here...

    To deliberately roll coal is just plain wrong to do in public. As cool as it may seem, it is a public eye sore and it certainly doesn't help the diesel performance scene in law makers eyes. If someone is caught smoking out bystanders at intersection or blinding traffic with a cloud of smoke...then agree they need to get a citation and punishment! Practices such as that are irresponsible and just plain stupid!

    Now to the other side, don't get me wrong. The government should not punish us for modifying our trucks such to make them more reliable and efficient. We all know the current diesel emission technology is costly, sure to fail, and reduces the life of our Cummins engines!

    We have got to find a middle ground in which we the diesel pickup owner can enjoy a reliable truck but yet try to be good stewards of the environment and have the public's trust.



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    If idiots would stop being idiots, then other idiots wouldn't be coming around trying to control the first set of idiots. That will not happen and so it "snowballs". They want to ban smoke for health and safety then lets do the same for anything else thats causes problems... like big a** batteries. Wonder what damage is done to the environment and people while building, using, and disposing of those...?


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    Re: Diesel drivers who are “rolling coal” in Colorado: Tune up or pay up!

    20 years ago same guys described in this article would be driving by in coffee can equipped Honda civics blasting insanely loud music. Ten years from now who knows what. The moral of the story is people wanting to be jerks will always have a way to be a jerk. Deal with the jerks and the actions won't matter.

    I wish they would focus on enforcing existing laws for reckless and careless driving or disturbing the peace for cases like this. Punish those that are offending without painting all diesel owners as guilty untill proven innocent. Thankfully I have no plans to move to Colorado, but I feel for those that do.

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    Re: Diesel drivers who are “rolling coal” in Colorado: Tune up or pay up!

    Sorry @Power247 but even if you don't move there, yet drive through Colorado, and your truck puffs for any reason, you can get ticketed. They have "THE POWER" !!

    But what bothers me is when they start making laws, then correct the law, then add to that law or add another law and so on.
    Once a law is made, 'IF' you ever get hit by that law, you're in their system ... it never ends and they never let up.
    The only way out is die ... but you're in their records archives ... forever.



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    Re: Diesel drivers who are “rolling coal” in Colorado: Tune up or pay up!

    Quote Originally Posted by IGOTACUMMINS View Post
    We know this is a hot topic of debate, but we would like your thoughts on this.

    Please respect everyone's opinions here.

    https://www.igotacummins.com/attachm...8&d=1498307697

    Diesel pickup truck drivers in Colorado who illegally tweak their engines to blast out black smoke can now be fined $100 for the practice. Colorado is riding hard on diesel truck drivers who “roll coal,” the politically charged display of power on the roads that has doused other vehicles, such as environmentally friendly Priuses, and pedestrians, including supporters of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, with sooty black smoke.

    Gov. John Hickenlooper this week said he’ll gladly sign into law a bill lawmakers passed that lets police hit offenders with $100 fines.

    “Coal rolling is a cruel cut to people with asthma or other respiratory issues,” Hickenlooper said. “We are well to be rid of it.”

    Over the past three years, the practice emerged as a way to have fun at the expense of other people, and air quality that is already compromised in parts of Colorado. Diesel pickup truck drivers illegally tweak their engines — tampering with pollution controls and enabling intake of extra fuel — so that by stepping on their accelerator pedals they can blast out spectacularly foul fumes.

    New Jersey has outlawed rolling coal.

    But Colorado lawmakers, facing anxieties in agricultural areas, wrestled with legislative proposals and twice killed them before passing the bill this month. Police had pushed for a law that could let them crack down. The police occasionally have been targets of the smoke, Fort Collins Police Lt. Craig Horton said.

    “We have problems with that display of exhaust, especially on our weekend nights when we have a cruising issue,” Horton said.

    A bill has been proposed against drivers who like to "roll coal".

    https://www.igotacummins.com/attachm...7&d=1498307677

    Among those embracing the crackdown is Dana TePoel, owner of Lake Arbor Automotive & Truck in Westminster, who for 25 years has conducted state-mandated emissions tests on diesel vehicles for license renewals. Of 52 tests done on diesel vehicles this past week, seven failed.

    About a dozen of the trucks that fail emissions tests at his shop each year have engines altered for rolling coal and are usually brought in by drivers new to Colorado.

    “We tell ’em they have to fix it,” he said, noting that the modifications can cost thousands of dollars and that coal rollers who fail emissions tests typically must turn back to people who made the illegal modifications to undo them.

    TePoel called the $100 fines “a good addition to the system of prevention, emissions testing, that is already in place.”

    Trouble hit rolling coal drivers along Colorado’s Front Range when outdoor restaurant patrons and pedestrians complained. Fort Collins police initially tried to use anti-drag racing laws that allow cops to pull over drivers for exhibitions of speed and power, a jailable offense. Police also found it was hard to enforce existing laws prohibiting tampering with pollution control devices.

    State Rep. Joann Ginal. D-Fort Collins, was among those smoked. And last fall, when a line of people formed at the New Belgium Brewery to see a campaign event featuring former President Bill Clinton, Ginal said, plume-producing trucks hit them hard.

    Hickenlooper’s signature cannot come too soon, she said.

    A few days after she and Sen. Don Coram, R-Montrose, secured final passage of the bill, Ginal was driving in Fort Collins behind a tan pickup truck with Texas license plates. The driver smoked her. Ginal said she had a feeling her state lawmaker license plates made her a target.

    “They do it to people in Priuses, people on motorcycles, and people just walking down the streets. Some are older people who have chronic respiratory conditions. The smoke makes it worse,” she said.

    “It is mean. It is more young people who are doing this,” she said. “They think it is funny.”

    It happens statewide, Coram said, citing incidents in Grand Junction and Durango.

    A pregnant woman walking with a small child in Durango was hit, said Coram. She called his office to complain. Rolling coal isn’t a matter of political expression, he said.

    “It is people just being jerks,” Coram said.

    Ginal introduced legislation in 2016 that died, and tried again this year. Her first bill failed as opponents, including Sen. Jerry Sonnenberg, R-Sterling, a rancher, raised concerns that a crackdown on coal rolling could lead to California-style emission standards for work trucks.

    Coram revived the legislation, removing references to harassing behavior — which complicated enforcement — and inserting exceptions for commercial and agricultural vehicles.

    Ginal said she expects lawmakers in other states will follow Colorado’s lead.

    Link to original article: http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/22...ng-coal-fines/
    Personally the federal government and state governments need to keep their noses out of Diesel owners trucks !
    This is why are trucks cost so damn much money because of all the hippy liberal pieces of crap in the big cities and the federal government !
    For the most part most real diesel owners don't roll coal and if they do normally they don't do it towards people or properties

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    Re: Diesel drivers who are “rolling coal” in Colorado: Tune up or pay up!

    Quote Originally Posted by AnOldBiker View Post
    Sorry @Power247 but even if you don't move there, yet drive through Colorado, and your truck puffs for any reason, you can get ticketed. They have "THE POWER" !!

    But what bothers me is when they start making laws, then correct the law, then add to that law or add another law and so on.
    Once a law is made, 'IF' you ever get hit by that law, you're in their system ... it never ends and they never let up.
    The only way out is die ... but you're in their records archives ... forever.
    Couldn't agree more with you bud about making stupid dumb laws once they start they don't ever stop
    The damn federal and state government just need to keep their noses out of our trucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power247 View Post
    20 years ago same guys described in this article would be driving by in coffee can equipped Honda civics blasting insanely loud music. Ten years from now who knows what. The moral of the story is people wanting to be jerks will always have a way to be a jerk. Deal with the jerks and the actions won't matter.

    I wish they would focus on enforcing existing laws for reckless and careless driving or disturbing the peace for cases like this. Punish those that are offending without painting all diesel owners as guilty untill proven innocent. Thankfully I have no plans to move to Colorado, but I feel for those that do.

    Greg
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    100% agree with you bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double R Diesel View Post
    I'll put my two cents in here...

    To deliberately roll coal is just plain wrong to do in public. As cool as it may seem, it is a public eye sore and it certainly doesn't help the diesel performance scene in law makers eyes. If someone is caught smoking out bystanders at intersection or blinding traffic with a cloud of smoke...then agree they need to get a citation and punishment! Practices such as that are irresponsible and just plain stupid!

    Now to the other side, don't get me wrong. The government should not punish us for modifying our trucks such to make them more reliable and efficient. We all know the current diesel emission technology is costly, sure to fail, and reduces the life of our Cummins engines!

    We have got to find a middle ground in which we the diesel pickup owner can enjoy a reliable truck but yet try to be good stewards of the environment and have the public's trust.



    Ray
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    www.doublerdiesel.com
    info@doublerdiesel.com
    100% absolutely agree with your statement bro

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