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Alright gents.
Now that I am deleted, it's time to think about a new clutch so I can crank up the power without worrying about destroying my factory clutch.
Looking at the Valair dual disk or the South Bend dual disk.
I was wondering if anyone with experience having either installed could weigh in.
Just looking for what the better option is.
Well @Double R Diesel is a Valair dealer. Not sure he has his installed yet or not in his new truck.
@OneTon Hey bud!
How much HP are you looking at making?
I am a south bend dealer and have a variety of different HP rated clutches.
I have a valair dual organic in my 2016 and couldn't be happier with it.
I had a dual ceramic in my last truck and never had an issue with that either.
This time I did spring for the quiet version to eliminate the floater plate noise.
I looked at both brands and it seemed to me that valair had a better method for holding the floater plate on the quiet version than South Bend.
My friend bought my old truck and it is brutal but that Valair is still going strong.
I had a South Bend street dual disc I'm my 03 6.0 Ford.
The floating ring had I believe Kevlar bumpers on it to keep it quiet and it did.
A buddy of mine had a race dual disc in his Dodge and it sounded like something coming apart in the trans, but was perfectly fine.
I didn't want that for a daily driver and was pleased with the street dual disc.
Very positive engagement and not hard to back up a trailer as it would slip some.
Not sure that South Bend is still American made and have heard that there is some trouble with their outsourcing.
Good guys to call up and talk to.
I think they all use their product and actually had me talk to "the guy with the Ford" for questions.
I will stick with Valair.
I have had many great experiences and the owner of the company is a great guy who stands behind his product.
Sent you a pm @OneTon
I am in the same boat.
Need a clutch so I can turn it up.
I think I slipped the stock clutch on the 90hp tune.
I wish it was a landslide on which way to go, but as mixed as the opinions are, it sounds like you can't really go wrong either way.
Is this for auto trans or manual.
And if for auto what does it cost to put one in?
Thanks
He is definitely talking about a manual trans.
I vote valair but then again there only a couple hours away from me. Ran a dual disc in my 2nd gen never had a problem.
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We have had great luck with either brands. Let me know if I can help
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Thanks for all the replies. Decided that I'm going with a Valair quiet dual disk once the funds allow.
Can't go wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by OneTon
Diesel Dawgs Performance
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Ordered a SB Dual Disk today for my 15' 2500. I was slipping the OEM clutch on the 60 HP tune. Truck has 31k miles on it. Can't wait to see how this new clutch holds the power. I'm running the bully dog with higher power performance EFI live. 5" tbe, full deletes, and leveled with 35's. We'll see how the South Bend performs.
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Where in PA are you @chris_24v
New Milford (NEPA)Quote:
Originally Posted by F350Cummins
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2015 2500 cummins, full deletes, Bully Dog and HPP EFI Live. 5" TBE no muffler. Leveled with 35's
Both brands seem to be great! I have the SB dual street clutch and I abosulty love it and yes sometimes I get "clutch chatter" but I love to hear the noise sometimes....honeslty it's not going to make too much noise either. I have a work interior model with vinyl flooring and probably less sound deadening than higher interior model trucks. Idk, how much more the "quiet dual clutch" is but idk if it would be worth that extra cost because my truck SB Dual street clutch don't make that bad of noise to get on my nerves. However, I do understand that some people want to be a able to "hear a pin drop" in their cab of the truck so it boils down to what you really want out of your truck. Both South Bend and Valiar make awesome products so you will be very happy with either one. FYI I have a 2011 2500 fully deleted and 5in Flo Pro straight piped...I have thought about putting some more sound deadening in the truck only because my exhaust will sometimes drone when crusing at 85mph. Either way, let us all know how you enjoy your new clutch, it will be a night and day difference!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneTon
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You in PA?Quote:
Originally Posted by F350Cummins
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2015 2500 cummins, full deletes, Bully Dog and HPP EFI Live. 5" TBE no muffler. Leveled with 35's
no, western NJ @Brotherdime is also western jersey with a G56 truckQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris_24V
Just have some land east of you on SR 171 in Thompson PA
Awesome! Yeh I'm in New Milford. Pretty familiar with thompson.Quote:
Originally Posted by F350Cummins
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2015 2500 cummins, full deletes, Bully Dog and HPP EFI Live. 5" TBE no muffler. Leveled with 35's
Quote:
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Dad and I own the old Agway grist mill there.
Let me know how you like the clutch you ordered I will be needing 1 soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by F350Cummins
South Bend brother! LOL. I have a SB and I literally talked to a guy who has owned 7 Cummins (6 of them have had a manual tranny) and he has had both Clutch brands and perfers SB over Valair...maybe I'm just bias but I bought SB because of their "word of mouth" reputation. All I can say is I would defiantly buy another SB without hesitation because I love mine so much...even if they jack the price up on them LOL.Quote:
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Sounds good man. Thanks for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT_410BERRY
Hey guys I also will be in that same boat too... looking to get a new clutch soon so I also can crank up the power from +30 to +90.. this I also my first cummins with a manual trans so I have no experience with aftermarket clutchs on these diesels. Like single vs dual disk. Ect.. I just know I have to try to match my power level to the clutch I will be running.. also have is the pedal engagement, stiffness of the clutch pedal from stock to aftermarket.... I also was leaning toward SB but I know both brands are very good... what do you guys recommend.. I have a 2015 regular cab. 4x4. 3.73 gears. Stock tires for now but going to be upgrading to the biggest tire I can put on a stock 18x8 rim.. I hardly tow anything and if I do may be a bobcat or a wearhouse forklift at the most.. my truck is upfitted with a service bed with mostly tools. I also am full deleted with 4" straight pipe. Hopefully you guy can help me get a right clutch for my setup...
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I just received my truck back yesterday with newly installed SB Dual disk. As of right now the clutch pedal is noticably stiffer, the clutch engagement is more abrupt which is fine just take a little getting used to, and engagement point is a little closer to the floor. I haven't been able to get alit of runtime with it yet but as of right now I absolutely love it, way more the the stock setup. The guy that does all of my work said to pick a clutch that barely exceeds you power level which is why I went with the dual disk. He also recommended changing the tranny fluid during the install to go with a slightly heavier weight fluid. It allows for smoother shifting and a quieter clutch. They are a little louder than the stock and if your lugging in a gear, it'll let you know LOL. As I gain more info on it I'll update this post. I recommended South Bend as all I've read has been mostly good. Hope this helps and keep us updated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssbuilt808
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2015 2500 cummins, full deletes, Bully Dog and HPP EFI Live. 5" TBE no muffler. Leveled with 35's
Well folks....ended up going the @South Bend Clutch route and purchased an SDD3250-GK (Ceramic/Organic plates). Installed it today and whoooo what a job...about 11 hours in total with me and the old man working on it.
50 miles in and I'm loving this thing...nice authoritative engagements, but not harsh. Although I am comparing to a crap stock clutch that chattered real bad on take-offs and couldn't accelerate down an on ramp without slipping. I can't wait to really get on the skinny pedal after break in. My pedal was way less stiff to the point where I thought I reinstalled the hydraulics wrong and missed the fork. My throwout bearing was also pretty gooed up with clutch dust though and I think it was attributing to the stiff pedal feel. The stiff pedal could also have been the stoker being in such rough shape at the end of its life.
I did keep the stock hydraulics for the sake of saving time for now, but will be installing them at a later date.
Mike
I decided to go with Valair. Ordered it through Ray and I went with the quiet ceramic dd. Getting it installed next Tuesday. Can't wait to see what this thing feels like when all the power gets to the ground!
My 2017 is the process of getting the same clutch installed. I simply didn't have the time to install it myself, so my dealer is fixing me up. I should have it back Tuesday as well. Here you can see what the factory dual mass, or should I say dual mess flywheel, looks like...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...26a5030988.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by OCP
Ray
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Got my truck back today with the new clutch.
I'm definitely digging the feel of the engagement. It grabs much more abruptly.
I would estimate 30% more pedal effort required. I'm going to play the pushrod length and see if that changes anything.
The noise is definitely louder than I had expected and is louder than my buddies sb3250. Its not bad while driving tho and I am by no means complaining.
I ordered a bunch of oils today to change the diffs, t-case and trans to see if that decreases the noise.
I'll report back on that as soon as I do that.
After looking around for Mobil D , I went with Amsoil synthetic 50w and Amsoil syncromesh. I'm going to run 4qts of the 50w and 2-2.5qts of the syncromesh.
Overall I am very pleased.
I concur with this. Got my truck back too. Clutch performs perfectly but gear roll over noise in neutral off the clutch pedal is loud. I'm running Mobil Delvac straight. Guess you have to trade off noise for holding power.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCP
On side note...my pedal effort got easier with about 100 miles driving, or at least it seems that way.
Ray
Double R Diesel, LLC
www.doublerdiesel.com
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I don't have 100 miles on mine yet. Hopefully mine will soften up a bit as well.
I didn't handle the stock clutch so I don't know much it weighs but I was shocked by how much the solid flywheel/dd weighs!
I perceived the truck as slower accelerating and don't know whether to attribute that to the engine possibly revving slower because there is no slip or if the rotating mass is that much heavier??
I dumped the atf fluid the other day and installed the TDS pto cover.
Filled it back up with a gallon of Amsoil Syn 50w and 3qts of Amsoil Synchromesh.
On initial startup the it sounded like it had the stock dual mass in it.
After some drive time, it is slightly louder than stock, but significantly quieter than it was with the ATF.
Obviously the cold weather isn't upon us yet but it shifts fine too.
Hey everyone!
So, I'm in the same boat right now and not sure which to buy?
SB dual disc 550hp organic or ceramic ORRRR Valair dual disc up to 550hp organic quiet spring or not?
SB is 1500 and valair is around 1300 unless i got the quiet one then its 1500.
I don't tow much right now but max is around 5k# maybe 10k in the future.
The max on my tune (DRD tuned) will be 90hp when stock is 350 so max 440hp.
It's my daily driver 2017 2500 32k miles, leveled with 35's.
Thank you all in advanced!
P.S with a tight budget wife gave me the OK to purchase a clutch finally ;)
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Originally Posted by Dtrust68
If you go Valair, get the quiet version or it'll rattle like crazy.
I have the South Bend SDD3250 on mine.
It's a ceramic/organic combo.
I really like it.
Very close to stock feel when it grabs.
It does get a bit jumpy when engaging in reverse with a trailer or backing up an incline.
80k or so on mine and it still performs great.
I would shy away from a full ceramic material.
Engagement will be very grabby.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneTon
So far everyone I've spoke to went with SB organic.
So that's what I went with.
Just ordered and now the fun part happens when it arrives.
Dan has been around clutches since a young boy.
He is a straight shooter.
Valair is who I will go with.